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03/20/2008
Evidence of dead bodies from Amdho Eastern Tibet
{The Tibet Post International - Thursday, 20th March 2008}
Tibet- 18th March 2008. The attached photos of dead Tibetans provide the most damning evidence seen so far that lethal force was used by Chinese security forces at protests staged by Tibetans in Aba town (Ngawa) in Sichuan province.
These photos, together with the eyewitness statement, provide conclusive force that lethal force was used at Aba town by the Chinese security forces on 16 March 2008. The photos directly contradict recent denials to the press by Jampa Phuntsog (Chairman of the Tibetan Autonomous Region Govt) and China Premier Wen Jia Bao that Chinese security forces had not used lethal force.
The photos were taken long before the Chinese government's deadline of midnight Monday and prove that the use of lethal force has been in force long before the Chinese government's supposed deadline for protesters to turn themselves in before the use of force would be used.
Matt Whitticase of Free Tibet Campaign said: "These photos provide shocking proof of the brutality being exercised by Chinese forces in forcefully putting down Tibetan protests. It is not acceptable for national governments to call merely for restraint from the Chinese government. Government leaders must immediately condemn China's clear use of lethal force and demand that China's leaders stop their brutal crackdown on Tibetan protesters."
Release sent on 16 March:
3. Kirti Monastery, *Ngaba* County (Ch: Aba) Sichuan Province
Free Tibet Campaign's contact in Dharamsala has received by phone several eyewitness accounts to events in Ngaba County today.(Ch: Aba)
One eyewitness reported seeing Chinese security forces shooting dead thirteen Tibetans. One of the Tibetans was named as Lobsang Tashi. The eyewitness reported that the protest was started by three monks from Kirti monastery and was joined by hundreds of monks and lay people. The protest took place 2km from Kirti monastery in Ngawa County. The protestors called for the release of the Panchen Lama. Protestors demanded the release of two monks from Kirti monastery who got arrested yesterday. According to the eyewitness police shot tear gas into the crowd and beat many of the protestors. The police then shot live round of ammunition into the crowd. According to the eyewitness this led to the confirmed deaths of thirteen Tibetans. Many more Tibetans were injured. The eyewitness then reported that the protestors reacted angrily to the use of firearms and the deaths. The protestors burned down several police vehicles and the Public Security Bureau HQ.
Other eyewitnesses to the protest that have spoken by phone to our contact in Dharamsala are reporting that up to 30 Tibetans were killed when the armed police shot into the crowd.
Our contact in Dharamsala spoke to a monk who had returned to Kirti monastery after the protests to which he had been an eyewitness. In a telephone conversation at 3pm Beijing time the monk told our contact that he had seen 8 Tibetan bodies arrive at the monastery. Two were monks, one a lay female and five were lay people. The eyewitness told our contact that a further 2 bodies arrived at the monastery half an hour later. The bodies were thought to be those of students involved in the protest.
16:25 Posted in Politics | Permalink | Comments (12) | Email this | Tags: China's Genocde in Tibet 17th March 2008
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this is discusting!!!!!!!
Posted by: playaplaya | 04/03/2008
cool!
Posted by: manmaker | 04/03/2008
i know ypur acting
Posted by: manmaker | 04/03/2008
i know ur acting that what i mean to say
Posted by: manmaker | 04/03/2008
you Chinese, all are same for the killing and murdering human beings, even your own students 1989. So don't laugh at the murdered bodies, if you do whole world is watching criminal actions on human beigns
Posted by: Green Wood | 04/04/2008
Please provide more photos of Chinese atrocities in Tibet ( and among the neighboring Ughars ) if it is possible : the Chinese atrocities apologists on line are denying any claim of Chinese slaughter of Tibetans since Chinese occupation claiming there is "no evidence" - the brutality and inhumanity of the Chinese in their genocidal attempts to wipe out Tibet's people is distressing beyond words : there is only a sense of despair at the seeming hopelessness of it in this life : we may rest in the knowledge that justice shall be realized on the Day of Judgment which is the next conscious thing which all of the unforgiven shall know after physical death for it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment !
Posted by: BostonFreeTibetSupporter | 04/09/2008
how do you know the hurt was caused by the Chinese government? I am not defending them, because I really do not know much about the current affairs regarding Tibet and the protests. How do you know that the protests were not violent and that an uncontrolled riot did not follow, leading to bodily harm of protesters and/or innocent civilians? How do you know that these people in the above pictures were not harmed in self-defense?
The Chinese will have their version of the story.
The Westerners might too.
The above article is from the Tibet Post International. I assume this is a Tibet based news agency? How can this, standing alone, be credible?
Posted by: wonderer | 04/13/2008
wonderer firstly the faces of the four individuals are clearly shown in each case - explicitly clear - thus these individuals may be identified, and the circumstances of their lives and ( in all likelihood ) deaths clearly reiterated by neighbors and other witnesses. These are also evidently men who show no particularly bodily strength : two appear to be young adolescents, one an elderly man in not particularly healthy condition, and the other a famished looking man in his forties or thereabouts - none of them appear to have even been even capable of being fearsome fighters. secondly the Chinese government has created the dilemma by not permitting free press access to Tibet and particularly such provincial cities as Ngawa - if such weak framed individuals were so threatening to the Red Army that they were justly butchered to death as these photos show, surely the Chinese propagandists would be opening wide the doors to press coverage there to show what must have been the awesome and terrifying weapons of these individuals and to interview the soldiers who had been so overcome with fear for their lives that they had to react with such grotesque acts of "self protection". If persons other than the Red Army are committing such acts it still would behoove the Chinese authorities to publish such photos and invite the press to cover such atrocities to indicate the evident lawlessness of the region,etc. but no such criminal gangs , etc. exist in Tibet committing such acts of unmistakably professional torture. the Chinese refusal to permit free coverage of the Tibet scene is damning evidence of their culpability in committing viciously shameful acts of which they desperately seek to keep hidden. thirdly when one is innocently seeking to defend oneself , one does enough to repel the attacker , not engage , as is very evident from these photos , in systematic torturous barbarity. Fourthly, there is precedence : fifty years of countless testimonies and footage of Red Army atrocities not only in Tibet but throughout China of which the Tiananmen Square slaughter of thousands is but one of the most infamous. Fifthly, if these are the result of riots the Red Army would surely have published them and have shown extensive video or photographs of such a momentous scene and undoubtedly there would be scores of other photos and testimonies of individuals involved or effected therein - but silence.
How can this standing alone not be credible ? Why are there not dozens of reporters there to verify this event IF coverage of it would promote a benign picture of China and an evil one of the protesters ? It is credible if only because the news association's reputation itself is on the line ( which is made up of exiled Tibetans seeking to promote free press in Tibet ) if this is somehow a misrepresentation but again with such clearly visible faces there is great ease to find witnesses to disprove the allegations and to discredit such a story if it be utter fabrication distorting the events. But the level of systematic grotesquely clever brutality evidenced here bespeaks of professional torturers , i.e. soldiers and the only soldiers in Tibet are of the Red Army. I rest my case.
Posted by: BostonFreeTibetSupporter | 04/13/2008
seeing that in a time like that, most news could be propaganda, I have nonetheless done a little google research in order to increase my knowledge.
Regarding the Tiananmen Square, I looked up a few websites. Of course I looked for articles opposite to the norm which is that a huge massacre occurred. Again, I am not attempting to be prejudiced, I am merely trying to find more sides to the story which I am so ignorant of.
http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Tiananmen.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/wanniski2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
From what I gather, the protests ended peacefully. However, members of the goverenment (excluding the General Secretary himself) who had power over the military went on to declare martial law and took control of the city. If you have interest and time, please do not dismiss the websites as Chinese propaganda. They could be, but it doesn't hurt to spend time cruising through the sites and their links until you are certain of its falsehood if any.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas&feature=related
This video, and you can cruise around to find somemore, some in support of Tibet, others in response, show the misleading information of the news. For example, the it shows articles portraying Nepalese as Chinese policemen or soldiers beating civilians (or, let's be fair, they could have been violent protesters?). Look at 2:45, the picture was originally (unless fabricated) a lot more like a protest than what was shown of terrorizing government forces chasing 2 men. The misleading information on the news, if true, could be why the Chinese government does not allow Western media in. Moreover, Chinese people are proud and like many nations, do not like foreigners to meddle in their affairs. That does not necessarily mean guilt.
Posted by: wonderer | 04/14/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLzKBvvGMg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4yZvMWGHTI
This video shows the riot. The second clip is taken by a Westerner. apparently at the wrong place at the wrong time. True, false? Not the correct event? Enacted? Paid Westerner for propaganda purposes? I do not know unless I do more research. But I assume that you are quite deep in the knowledge of the events were are discussing on this website. You should check it out. Is it possible that the men above, maybe all, maybe some, maybe one, just as likely as none, were actually harmed by the riot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z_prFMROC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5v-SRvqz7I
CCTV stuff. First one is a documentary. Second is news with testimonies. They were no silent after all. Credible or not, I cannot decide. It is perhaps as credible as all local news media such as the Tibet Post in Tibet, the CNN in America, Russian news in Russia, local news in the Middle East...etc.
I am not trying to provoke, but what is this case you rested?
Posted by: wonderer | 04/14/2008
As is typical of Chinese atrocity apologists, you are simply tip toein g over ( that is completely ignoring though perfectly cognizant of) the four systematically tortured bodies in Ngawa as not convenient to your very evidently "non-ignorance" concerning Red Army atrocities in Tibet. The potentiality of "misinformation" corresponds exclusively to the lack of media access and freedom : with many interviewers and investigators and videos and photos of the on going events in Tibet explicit and impartial coverage would necessarily be the by-product: China is perfectly well aware of this , and for this reason ALONE has now forbidden ALL media access that is not under the immediate control of the Chinese propaganda machine. All totalitarian regimes which brutalize their people out of shame , and not pride , seek to hide their grotesque secrets under the current Chinese subterfuge that " it is an internal affair " of which no other government or individuals has the right to either know of or , having known of it against all efforts of the regime to stop it , interfere in the inhumane processes. The apartheid government of South Africa considered its treatment of native Africans completely justified, and "an internal affair" for the stability and prosperity of the greater society , etc. as the Nazis, Stalin , Pol Pot, The Ottoman Turks, &c. all considered their oppression and genocidal decimation of particular economic, ethnic or political populations to be subject to external "exaggeration" or "misrepresentation" &c and so utterly forbid and obstructed any impartial reporting of the same but in no sense could such attempts to justify obstruction of reporting in any sense be impartially judged as "normal" and "reasonable" and justify the silencing of international condemnation and finally even military resistance to the atrocities therein committed.
As the systematic genocidal obliteration of its African minorities by the Sudanese government ( which is wistfully financially and militarily enabled by the Chinese government) which it considers to be a perfectly normal and justified handling of an internal affair of which no one should be casting any criticism or even attention , so the brutally inhumane and genocidal decimation of the Native Tibetan ( now ) minority and culture in Tibet shall be , notwithstanding, explicitly documented and declared and condemned. If the Red Army's actions in Tibet are justifiable "self defense" , let China permit as full press coverage as they are of their Olympic propaganda event over which many foreigners are permitted to be involved with and let their nobility , restraint and humane and enlightened and totally just "self protection" policies be made absolutely manifest to the international community unto the praise of China.
If Canada began to systematically destroy Chinese places of education and worship, commenced torturous "reprogramming" campaigns in all the Chinatowns of their republic and began to force all their Chinese citizens to renounce the Chinese language and culture and enthusiastically and with great expense forced non-Chinese to settle in Chinese populated areas to dominate the economy and local governments there and riots by the Chinese ensued, would China or yourself calmly justify a complete media blackout of these Chinatowns by the Canadian government (as you both do of Tibet), and though many reports and photos and other evidences of atrocities were forthcoming , would be satisfied to not protest or demand any inquiry or intervention in response to Canada's firm assurance that it was acting "for the welfare and harmony of Canadian society" and that no matter how they treated the Chinese to the end that Canada as a whole was prosperous and calm it was their own internal affair? Hardly.
Tibetan blood, as African blood, is as cheap to the rest of the world, as it is, and has been, to the vicious Red Army in their fifty year inhumane genocidal crackdown against the entire Tibetan population as the photos of systematically tortured teenage boys, and sickly old , and famished middle aged men in the photos from Ngawa demonstrate incontrovertibly.
Posted by: BostonFreeTibetSupporter | 04/14/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjiIc8WyqH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJ6yk8J9Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLH2G5NRZ_0
wonderer obviously does not read these posts very well as I explicitly explained who publishes the Tibet Post but I dont expect that person to have any interest in anything but promoting apologizing for Chinese atrocities - the Day of Judgment shall bring to light all hidden things and then there shall be complete justice for the saints whose sins are covered by the shed by soldiers blood of Christ ! the saints are like sheep for the slaughter killed all the day long...
Posted by: BostonFreeTibetSupporter | 04/14/2008
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